![]() “I do-what kind of diva moments do I give you?” Meghan replied. “You give us diva moments sometimes, Meghan,” Carey said. The two later went on to talk more about the term diva, leading to a moment Meghan later said gave her pause: when Carey called her a diva on the podcast. “They want to put you in a box and categorize you. So everybody is like her father is Venezuelan and Black because they didn't know how to put me in that box,” Carey continued. “And so, like, my father's father's mother was Venezuelan, my great great grandmother. “A mixed woman, because I always thought it should be okay to say I'm mixed. “But, but that's an interesting thing,” Carey said. Because up until then, I had been treated like a mixed woman. Then I started to understand what it was like to be treated like a Black woman. I mean, if there's any time in my life that it's been more focused on my race, it's only once I started dating my husband. And I think for us, it's very different because we're light skinned. And her response was her saying, ‘well, your experience through the world is how people view you.’ So she said because she was darker in color, she was being treated as a Black woman, not as a mixed woman. Meghan went on to say, “I had read this article about Halle Berry, and they were asking her how she felt being treated as a mixed race woman in the world. “We don’t, we don’t, I don’t believe in numbers.” Because they're going to try to do the calculations,” Carey said. And it's so funny because I remember when I was young, I can't put a number to it I would imagine 12 or 13.” Someone… Someone kind of looks like me.”Ĭarey asked, “Did you feel like, I know that this person is, like I can tell she's Black and white?” But when you are a woman, and you don't see a woman who looks like you somewhere in a position of power or influence, or even just on the screen-because we know how influential media is-you came onto the scene, I was like oh, my gosh. Meghan started by telling Carey, “You were so formative for me. Meghan admitted that it wasn't until she was Prince Harry's girlfriend that some of the public started treating her as a Black woman more than a mixed one. Meghan had guest Mariah Carey on to discuss the negative connotation attached to the word “diva.” While the two spent the bulk of the 45-minute episode discussing Carey's own journey and career, the women also discussed very candidly how being mixed race shaped the public's view of them-and the way they saw themselves because of it. ![]() Meghan Markle's weekly series Archetypes returned with its second episode this morning, just one day after Meghan's big The Cut interview came out.
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